Baby Bob to the rescue - I hope!

Discussion in 'Capri/Catalina 14 Talk' started by JGM, May 22, 2007.

  1. Roger Lohrey

    Roger Lohrey New Member

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    Carrnor:
    Could you take a photo of the sleeve and post some measurements as well. I would like to add some flotation to the top of my mast and am would like to know how much I need.

    Thanks
    Roger
     
  2. JGM

    JGM Member

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    Roger,
    In case Carrnor doesn't make it back here, there is a drawing of the sleeve in the C-14 manual. It shows the sleeve coming down 24" from the mainsail head and describes it as "1/2" of closed cell foam on each side encapsulated in sail cloth". How it attaches to the sail isn't really clear but I'm thinking a call to Catalina would resolve the question.

    From what I could gather, if my calculations are correct, the sleeve would have about 10 lbs of displacement. That's only a third of the lift provided by the Baby Bob but who knows - it might be all you need even in the highest winds???

    BTW, last Sunday I made a batch of Baby Bob brackets while making one for Carl. His is in the mail. If you want one, send me a private message.

    I also came up with an alternative fastening method for anyone not wanting to drill a hole through the top of their mast. You will need to attach a couple of padeyes or hooks, one to each side of your mast, but that shouldn't be nearly as difficult. This method utilizes the extra holes in the Bob's stainless brackets where you thread a cord through and tie it off to the padeyes. Here's a picture illustrating the concept:

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    Hope this helps,
    Jim
     
  3. Roger Lohrey

    Roger Lohrey New Member

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    Jim:
    Thanks for the input. I am making my own smaller version of "babby Bob" and was trying to determine how much floatation I needed. My float gives aroound 14 pounds of boyancy force. If the float from Catalina gives 10 pounds then I should be good to go. I will measure my sail tonight and run the numbers to verify.

    Thanks Again

    Roger
     
  4. kylehousley

    kylehousley New Member

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    GREAT THREAD.
    I turtled the WORST hobie cat in the world. This thing really sucked. I could not come about through the eye of the wind at all, I swear it was impossible. This thing fell over (I'm sensing a theme) when I was fiddling the the main sheets. The boat backed hard and just like that, jenny was gone. I looked up after I was ejected and dove to avoid a torrent of rigging from toppling upon me. But this thing turtled like a champ. I managed to right it once and the main was still cleated. :mad: And it didn't come up again. I found out later that the "sealed" mast and boom were only water tight when they were holding water. Righting it was going to be impossible after about ten minutes upside down. This was in the fall in Washington state, I was wearing a wetsuit and the adrenaline kept me warm.

    So I sold that boat.

    I just got my 1991 Catalina 14.2 Mod 1 yesterday and am worried about it taking on water if I capsize. So after reading this forum over I just ebayed a baby bob and I have one question:

    Will the baby bob prevent a lot of water from getting into my hull or does will water get in there no matter what?

    Thanks, my first boat was an 8 foot monohull and I liked that way better than any other boat I have sailed so far. Hopefully my catalina is the new favorite.
     
  5. JGM

    JGM Member

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    Unless you have a poor seal between the deck and hull, you shouldn't get any water in your boat. The C-14s are very buoyant and even laying on its side it rides very high.

    Jim
     
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  6. kentth

    kentth Member

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    Mine will sail full of water. The first time I turtled, the cuddy cover came off and it completely filled. We were able to right the boat, there is flotation under the seats, we were then able to bail most of the water out and started sailing it back to a beach, over 1/2 mile, to get the rest of the water out.

    It will sail with water up to the top of the seats. It is sluggish and an interesting sail, but you can sail it. About 100 yards from the beach a ski boat decided to attempt to swamp us and put a 3 ft wake over our transom. That completely refilled the boat, but we were still able to sail it in.

    So they are pretty seaworthy even full of water and mine was full. I just wish they would not turtle after capsizing. Just watch the winds you sail in. I have the most problems with turtling when the winds are over 17 knots.

    The ski boat driver, was pulled over by the game warden. He saw the whole thing, arrested the boat driver, confiscated the boat, and talked about taking the guy's car. The guy was ticketed for boating while drunk, unsafer operation, not enough PFD's and endangerment to others on the water.

    Kent
     
  7. JGM

    JGM Member

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    What a great story! It goes to show there is some justice in this world after all! :)
     
  8. kylehousley

    kylehousley New Member

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    mmmmm, swift justice. There is a local lake that is just completely ruined during the summer by motor boats. I can't stand it. But everyone has to boat somewhere I guess.
    Good to know that the 14.2 is safe, I never want my boat to turtle again.
     
  9. Ben Tierney

    Ben Tierney New Member

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    Hi Jim! I'd be interested in a mounting assembly if you are still willing and able to fabricate and ship it for a price that seems fair to you. Please send me a message if you are able.

    Thanks.
    Ben
     
  10. Ben Tierney

    Ben Tierney New Member

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    Hi Jim, do you still have -or- are you still willing to make the brackets? Thanks!
     
  11. douga7002

    douga7002 New Member

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    What do you do for a wind vane?
     
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  12. kerberos824

    kerberos824 New Member

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    I realize that this thread is years and years old... I'm assuming that JGM no longer has these for sale, but I would love to see plans or a place to source the aluminum channel material that you used. This is a much more elegant solution than what I currently have.
     
  13. Phantom Driver

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    I made mine from material bought at Lowe's. All you need is a flat bar of aluminum, a piece that's L shaped-or even a box shape and then a few stainless screws to put it all together...
     
  14. Brett C

    Brett C New Member

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    I just got mine last week and need to attach. I have seen a lot of ways to do this. The easiest is moving the brackets out on the baby bob so it fits the mast. I just have issue with drilling holes in some thing that is to keep me upright!

    I guess if you sealed up the holes properly then this wouldn't be an issue?

    Anyone else try this'
     
  15. Phantom Driver

    Phantom Driver Member

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    Using the flat bar of aluminum, I bent it into a square U shape and then drilled holes so that it matched those for the pulley for the main sail. No need to seal it at all and really pretty easy. Once that bar was ready, then I attached the Lshaped pieces to the flat top of the bar with screws and the drilled holes for the Bob mounts and screwed them all together. I've capsized it already and it worked perfectly. No turtle at all :)
     
  16. kerberos824

    kerberos824 New Member

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    I have mine attached to an oak "plug" that I cut to fit inside the mast and mounted the Bob to. It works alright, but I'm worried about the shearing force generated by going over on the very top of a pretty soft aluminum mast. The last time I went over, it went over quick (20+ kts, just the main, stupid, and I should have gone in) and it bent the mount, which is better than the mast I suppose. So, I'm modifying it using aluminum extrusion and aluminum strap, similar to what another forum member has done.

    But, it works, and I'm very happy to have it up there. The lake I sail on is very large, and has winds that are hilariously variable. When the Capri gets knocked over, so much of it is riding out of the water that I worry in a strong enough wind even with the bob it could still turtle. I don't own a motorboat (or know anyone with one) to help with a turtle recovery, and I'm always out there by myself, so it's something I want to avoid at all costs. When I replace my bob mount I'm going to also work on resealing the mast and replacing the foam that's in it.

    I appreciate all the information and help I've received on this form in a very short amount of time.

    Next task - tackling what I think is a rotted out board under the mast step. I'm being hopeful (and naive) that the screws are just loose, but I seriously doubt it. Fortunately, there's lots of information about that on these forums as well.
     
  17. Brett C

    Brett C New Member

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    Phatom - is the pic in this thread yours?
    Optimist mast floats | Page 2 | SailingForums.com

    I see how you bent the aluminum to fit over the top of the mast. Looks like you then have a piece of channeled aluminum attached to that and then the baby bob to the channel aluminum

    Is that correct? Seems easy enough.

    What thickness of aluminum did you use?

    Thanks for the help. I want to get out on the water this weekend but definitely want this in place first.
     
  18. Phantom Driver

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    It is :)

    It was easy, I did it in about 1 1/2 hours. All of the aluminum I bought at Lowe's and it looks like the L channel is just under 1/8th of an inch thick and the flat bar was 1/8 inch thick. Don't leave home without it! :)
     
  19. Brett C

    Brett C New Member

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    Awesome. Thank you . I am going to give this a go on Friday.
     

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