AMF Hilu

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  1. bigbear1270

    bigbear1270 New Member

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    Hi everyone, I have an AMF Hilu that was in my families possession and i didn't really understand what it was the other day till I started doing some research, according to what I found it is really rare and there are not many left, I also found that it might be worth a good deal of money and wanted to see if anyone had any information on the boat, i am looking to eventually sell it but i just want to get all the facts straight first.

    thanks, Jake
     
  2. matias

    matias Member

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    Beautifull boat you can use a sunfish racing daggerboard and a sunfish racing sail with it and sail it anywhere if I were you I wouldn't sell it.

    Enjoy!
     
  3. bigbear1270

    bigbear1270 New Member

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    thanks for the reply, im thinking about selling because i just dont know anything about sailing and i know there are people out there who are dying to have one of these and i could use a good chunk of change for college lol
     
  4. matias

    matias Member

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    If you need the money well, go ahead but if you are willing to take sailing clases or somethint then keep it. you will never see one of those again.
     
  5. beldar boathead

    beldar boathead Well-Known Member

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    I hope you really are LOL when you wrote that, as its not like you have found a rare Jaguar or Mercedes. I don't think there is much demand for these - they were never popular and are a pretty weird boat. I think you are likely to get $250-500 max, although if you do in fact find that one person who is truly dying to own it, you might get $750 or so.

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  6. btsunfish

    btsunfish New Member

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    My vote would be to keep it and learn to sail it. It has a Sunfish rig which means it will be as easy to sail, but the hull design should give much better speed. Also, apparently only 6 of these things are known to exsit; yours could be lucky number 7 ;-)
     
  7. matias

    matias Member

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    I agree with you, it would be perfect if you get a racing sunfish sail and a racing daggerboard, it will be 5 times faster and easier to handle you should also get a good tiller extension because those boats I believe come with a wooden one. if you do so you will get a fantastic little boat
     
  8. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    Jake,

    Just because such an outrageous urban myth has been started about this boat, I'm going to put in my 2ยข as well in an attempt to nip this in the bud and help prevent you from experiencing too much of an anticipation let down.

    Truth or Fiction ... Wikipedia - Hilu (notice the claim is red flagged)

    ... and most readers overlook this - Wikipedia - Hilu Discussion

    Ultimately, the buyers will determine the value. So, if you are dead set on trying for the supposed "collector value" get it to one of the big auction houses for collectables. It's the only place you'll find a buyer at the "rare item" price level. Not here, or craigslist, or any classified ad.

    If you want to test the water, get it on ebay and set the reserve 10% below the price you've heard. The bidding will show the actual interest level and if you land a big kahuna..., the party is at your house.

    In reality, I believe someone confused the AMF Hilu with a museum piece or a restoration project being undertaken by a Polynesian historical research foundation. It strikes me as the sort of mis-quoting you might find in a grade schooler's term paper research.

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  9. WOP31

    WOP31 Hello

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    Not knowing anything about this boat, I went to google for some answers and found on Ralph Harvey's site that he had sold one on ebay in 2008 for $800. Not the $$ supposedly reported on the Wiki but not a bad profit for him cosidering he picked it up for about $50.

    Neat looking boat, looks like it may be fun to sail in some good winds. I would keep it if I were you Jake and learn to sail it.

    How long has it been in your family? It may be something cool to pass on to the kids/grandkids later on down the road and you can teach them to sail it. Just something to think about.
     
  10. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    Learning to sail one of those would cause my brain to capsize....

    Apparently, the bow becomes the stern after tacking. Or, in other words, the hull that carries the sail is always to windward and the ama is always to leeward.
     
  11. surfski

    surfski New Member

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    Ok Wavedancer , totally baffled here. I know that traditionally south pacific proas would actually move the sail from end to end thus keeping ama in same relative position with tack , don't believe the hilu is set this way.
     
  12. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    I agree with everyone else who's recommending you hold on to and enjoy this boat. They look like a real kick. I've not sailed a Hilu, but as a kid I built a Proa-like outrigger canoe so I have fond memories of the adventure.

    The trouble I have with the Wiki article is Ralph Harvey is the only verifiable reference cited and his sale price is grounded in some restoration work, not rarity. So, nobody ever received the astronomical figure stated, it's only some amateur author's wildly imaginative, but unfounded speculation.

    The other statement that's highly questionable is the one saying only 6, now 7 are in existence. I've seen that many come through here, ebay, and craigslist in the last 10 years. It's hard to believe somewhere out there, but unknown to anybody, is the global registrar of Hilu keeping an official record of the remaining owners and their boats. Come out, come out, wherever you are... :rolleyes:

    So, you've got a cool boat and yes it is uncommon. If the boat was in pretty good shape when it was put away and the fabrics, wood, and hulls haven't dried and deteriorated from lack of attention over the years, you might get as much as Ralph got for his after he cleaned and fixed it up.

    Replica Proa have a following ...

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  13. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    I believe you are correct, the Hilu (and I believe most small or modern Proa) sail more like a catamaran. Note the fixed rudder of the Hilu rather than a movable steering oar.


    ... that looks familiar

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    Photo - R. Harvey

    The only boats I've heard of moving the mast or spar on are old style Pacific outrigger sailing canoes and old world Dhows.


    For those who've never seen one, this is the HILU

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    Photo - R. Harvey


    ...and, a left turn into a bit of sailing history half way
    around the world from the Proa's origins.





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  14. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    My brain may not have capsized, but it was confused. :eek:
    To be a bit specific, I looked up (Wikipedia) how a proa is sailed. And I thought that a Hilu was a real proa, but it isn't (thanks for the picture, Wayne).

    Is it correct then that the Hilu is more like a catamaran, but with one hull bigger than the other and the sail off-center?

    Larry Ellison, are you listening?

     
  15. surfski

    surfski New Member

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    Wayne et al , check out hydrovision raptor on a goggle search. Pretty cool proa-craft with modern foils , unfortunately out of production .
     
  16. gsr977

    gsr977 Apr1977-Sunfish

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    I bet those are fun to sail (fast?)..I'd keep the thing.:D
     
  17. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    Not as popular as a Sunfish, probably because they aren't as easy for beginners to learn sailng basics on.


    Looks like the Wiki people shed more light on the design and debunked the urban myths.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilu


    Normality appears to be returning :cool:


    This ad is currently posted at Duckworks (August 12, 2010)
    http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/classified.htm
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  18. Hilu_Darin

    Hilu_Darin New Member

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    Hi all -

    New member, found this thread via Google, and thought I'd offer my brief impressions for your interest, and for posterity (since this page was the #2 result on Google for "Hilu" for me).

    First, I had no idea as a Hilu owner I was part of such an exclusive club (!!!). Encourage any other Hilu owners to contact Ralph to be added to the unofficial registry on his Hilu page.

    I picked up just the hulls & platform (no tramp) for 20 bucks a few years ago - saw it sitting in someone's yard and it looked interesting, so I knocked on the door and they were happy to get rid of it. (And I didn't even know about the infamous Wikipedia entry - since removed - that said the boats were worth $20k to collectors. :eek: )

    Missing the original rig, here's what I used for a sail - from a big Mistral sailboard...

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    I used the Mistral's centerboard as well. For steering, I modified the gudgeons to take a Laser rudder.

    Sailing impressions: In 3 years I only had it rigged and in the water for a couple of hours, but I liked it. A junior Hobie, but more forgiving, and with a unique look. I can say the Mistral sail wasn't quite powerful enough for me, but I brought my 9 year old nephew along for a ride, and he sure thought it was fast - hooting and hollering at the speed & the splashing. The fiberglass sailboard mast bent & spilled wind more than I would have liked - I wanted more, more, more.

    I don't think the boat's as light as the Wiki article says - 75 lbs?? I'd bet the big hull alone is that much, if not a bit heavier. (If I get around to weighing mine, I'll edit the page.)

    It's a wet boat - but that's only a downside to a fair-weather (non-wetsuit) sailor like myself, meaning it's only comfy for about 2 months a year here on the cool St. Lawrence River.

    Now I have a chance to pick up a Sunfish rig, sail & foils. (That's what rekindled my interest in the Hilu and had me Googling it). With the bigger sail area and stiffer mast, I'm looking forward to finding out how it behaves.

    Of course the primary goal is getting that outrigger hull flying (the brochure photo shows it!), and comparing its temperment to a beater Hobie 16 that I co-own with a friend. The Hobie is a handful in a wind, like a Laser, being somewhat overpowered. It's particularly cranky if you stuff the leeward bow into a wave at speed. :p

    Regardless, with the proper rig & foils, the Hilu's definitely a keeper. It's an interesting boat to look at, and amusing to sail. The fact that it may also be somewhat rare has me re-evaluating this one's "beater" status. I'm thinking that in addition to making a trampoline for it this winter, I may even refinish the woodwork & wax those hulls!

    cheers-
    Darin
     
  19. skutzabik

    skutzabik Sails the Bidet

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    Oh no, I have a Snark and four SF's, a pontoon, two bass boats and a canoe in the yard, mama's gonna kill me but I am now in the market for one of those too!

    How do I sneak that thing home? It will probably just melt in until I pull all the boats out for winter, then I got some "esplanin" to do.
     
  20. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    I'm not finding a registry link on Ralph's page ... or is his web page it?

    There are five (now 6 with you) Hilu members who show up on this forum and three more on Sunfish_Sailor. I have seen about 8 others on the Net in other groups..., so the numbers appear to be slightly higher than first thought.



    Respond to that Duckworks ad in post #17, it seems to be priced within reason.

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