4.7 division and light sailors

Discussion in 'Laser Talk' started by rerun, Jun 27, 2006.

  1. rerun

    rerun New Member

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    Hey everyone, just asking opinions from everyone about this:

    I have been sailing for about 8 years now i used 2 be sailing a sabot and a flying ant. I wanted to get into the laser radial but it was a bit hard in 15knots plus considering i am about 10kg too light for this rig .... I then made the decision to sail a 4.7 to my astonishment alot of people were and are telling me that i should be in radial, 4.7s are only for ppl who are learning!! Its very hurtful when ppl come up to you and tell you your too old or too big for a class - considering the person who won the 4.7's worlds last year was 80kg!! The ideal/competitive weight for a 4.7 is still up near 65-70kg. i have friends who also get told this and are around 20-30kg too light for the class. how are the lighter sailors supposed to keep up with the 70-80kg ppl in our class/division??
     
  2. flyingsuperpetis

    flyingsuperpetis New Member

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    Sabotage? I didn't see anything...


    But yeah, I hear ya. When it's time to move up a class, typically, racing organizations automatically bump people up... when this doesn't happen, and sandbaggers start winning, it's like greyhounds chasing the mechanical hare. The greyhounds continually race better, faster, driven to improvement, but the frustration that comes along with the futility is damaging in the long run. This is one of the bigger problems in cycling. No one has found a good solution though, in all these years.
     
  3. Mullet Time!

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    By:

    A: hiking harder
    B: learning to depower
    C: leaning to vang sheet

    i weigh (66kg [light for a radial]) and am about 5-10 and i switched out of the radial into a full rig this year for lack of comptition around my area. where now i have trouble competing with the top people in a fullrigh in a breeze 66 kg is definately enough to race radial competitively in wind. You just need to Hike off your toes the whole time, depower before everyone and learn to vang sheet rediculously.
     
  4. rerun

    rerun New Member

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    its not so much the not hiking and sheeting... its the fact that im 55kg and therefore sailing a 4.7... do u honestly think i could handle a radial now?...


    u reely had lack of competition in a radial?
     
  5. Radial 171107

    Radial 171107 New Member

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  6. rerun

    rerun New Member

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    yer im an alrite weight for a 4.7 but if u had read my orginal comment u wuld understand:

     
  7. sk8ingsailor

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    I weigh 55Kg. is this too little for a radial? thats what I was going to get, becasue I know of no one that sails a 4.7
     
  8. Radial 171107

    Radial 171107 New Member

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    Yeah, probably would be mate. 55kg is pretty much fine for a 4.7 If you're under 60kg a radial is pretty hard to handle in a bit of breeze
     
  9. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    Paige Railey, the Radial World champion, weighs 65 kg. There's more to sailing any Laser rig than weight. The official weight ranges for the Radial are 55 to 70 kg, or 120 to 150 lbs. You are on the lower end, but at your age, you are sure to quickly grow into the heavier range for a Radial. From your profile, I also see that you are an experienced sailor and an athletic person. If there were a 4.7 fleet in your area, you might want to give that a try for this year, but there's not, so why worry? You'll be fine in a Radial.
     
  10. sk8ingsailor

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    Thanks alot:D
     
  11. 157800

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    how could you sail a 4.7 at 70 kilos?! that is near standard weight
     
  12. rerun

    rerun New Member

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    quite easily provided u had a stronger wind... its about sailing the boat you feel comfortable with or if u think thats a load of crap these are what everyone reckons are the ideal weights:

    laser 4.7- 50-75kg
    Radial- 60-80
    Full Rig- 75+

    if ur around 65kg in a radial u generally shuld expect to struggle keeping it flat in anything above 15knots

    the 4.7 world champion is actually heavier than the radial world champion so all the people who critise them for being too heavy maybe you should rethink your argument
     
  13. SFBayLaser

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    This is an interesting thread given that the 4.7 worlds have just begun in Hourtin, France. To show how seriously they take the 4.7 in Europe, there are some 240 (yes, that is two hundred and forty) male competitors and 88 female competitors! I'm willing to bet that these are not "beginner" sailors either...

    Today's results can be found http://cvhm.free.fr/
     
  14. rerun

    rerun New Member

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    i doubt any one of them would be beginners
    i have a few friends currently there competing and they cant be called beginners ina pink fit... its just that they, like many others, are too light to compete in radials or they are more comfortable sailing a 4.7
    regardless of this they are still told the same thingsa s i am. that they are too big, too old or must be learning and beginners if they are in this class
     
  15. laser2_9804

    laser2_9804 New Member

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    I'd say start in a 4.7 - you can always move up.

    I'm about a similar weight to you and I've been sailing for years (just not in lasers) but I was majorly overpowered in a radial in 15 knots. I couldn't hold the boat down if I sheeted block to block.

    However, I reckon that's mostly cause I'm not used to sailing lasers. I'm used to sailing in winds that strong. I think maybe once you've got some experience in 4.7s you'd be able to move up.

    Rerun - I've noticed that about some of the 4.7 sailors here too, some of them are heaps heavy for 4.7s. Also, we have the issue about age - the majority of 4.7s here are sailed by snotty spoiled kids who think they are the best in the world. One of my friends (who is 22 and about 55kgs) has just started sailing 4.7s (having never sailed lasers before) and all the kids think this is hilarious - they act so arrogant when they beat her and they have been sailing lasers for years.
     
  16. rerun

    rerun New Member

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    true that(bout the spoilt kids) its the same everywhere i reckon. i hav a frend whos about 22 as well and doesnt even weigh 50kg n she gets crap bout sailing em let alone i do haha (n shes actually good). i just cant understand y people in this sport have to be so pretentious and arrogant... especially when they arent any good themselves:mad:

    the ones that are heavy should prolly move up to radials... a majority of them are just trophy hunting... however there are some that do actually sail 4.7s because a radial is stretching too far out of their comfort zone

    my summarised opinion on the snotty spoilt brat kids:

    "children should be seen and not heard and should respect everyone that is older then them no matter how good the kids think they are"
     
  17. Radial 171107

    Radial 171107 New Member

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    Not only is abusing new sailors intrested in the sport mean, it deters them from it. and about the 4.7 rig, i dont think it would be aboat that you'd want to be your first(correct me if im wrong) but as the first in the laser series it is still a challenging boat. I think it would be sutiable more for lighter people looking into buying a laser
     
  18. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    "Rerun" is from a whole different zone, windwise. I believe that her region of the world (Australia) regularly gets 25 knot winds, so the comments about weights for 4.7 and Radials are heavier than what most of us are accustomed to.
     
  19. laser2_9804

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    If you are actually racing here in Australia (at least in Queensland, where I live) if the wind gets to 25 knots the race is automatically canned. However, some sailors here are accustomed to getting strong winds on a regular basis, so generally the sailors tend to be heavier than other countries.
     
  20. rerun

    rerun New Member

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    although this is the case in many clubs in qld there are a few that wil still sail in 25knot+ winds... because they feel we "need to experience sailing in different weather" in nsw you will generallly find that most clubs will stil have their racing in 30knots+... then it starts to get hard.:p

    although, due to the wind pattern in australia we do tend to get stronger winds here on a regular basis... many sailors still try to stick to the world "ideal" weights for their rig... however, when it come to radials and the lower end of the weight range for them, many sailors at 65kg still have difficulty keeping the boat anywhere near flat in over 10knots
     

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