2012 Laser Masters Worlds

Discussion in 'Laser Class Politics' started by Tillerman, May 5, 2011.

  1. Tillerman

    Tillerman Member

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    I can't see any official notice about the date or location of the 2012 Laser Masters Worlds on the ILCA website yet, but an article in Sail-World, about PSA ex-charter boats for sale, lists several upcoming major regattas in Australia and says that the 2012 Laser Masters World Championships will be from 12 – 19 March 2012 hosted by the Royal Queensland Yacht Squadron.

    Can anyone confirm if that is correct?
     
  2. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    Nothing confirmed as far as I'm aware.
     
  3. Danimal

    Danimal New Member

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    I believe it is confirmed (from PSA).
     
  4. Tillerman

    Tillerman Member

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    Kind of strange that the manufacturer would announce this first rather than the class. Or have PSA/ Global Sailing already gone ahead with their reported threat to start a new class association? Will this actually be the first Kirby Sailboat Masters Worlds?
     
  5. torrid

    torrid Just sailing

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    Go ahead and plan, but maybe it would be prudent to get refundable plane tickets.
     
  6. ncusdan

    ncusdan New Member

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    The Royal Queensland Yacht Squadron lists the Laser Masters Worlds in their sailing calender. The dates coincide with the ones listed in the in the article in Sail World. The link is: /www.rqys.com.au/index.php/rqys-marine-sports-calendar/.
     
  7. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    Planes are for sissies. T'man will sail; he is just waiting for the right weather window to open up.
     
  8. TonyB

    TonyB Member

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    Yes, it's correct. Great club and an excellent sailing location. Don't miss it!
     
  9. TonyB

    TonyB Member

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    Yes, it's correct. Great club and an excellent sailing location. Don't miss it!
     
  10. Tillerman

    Tillerman Member

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    Still no notice in the World Championships section on the ILCA website as far as I can see. But if TonyB says it's correct then it must be true.

    I thought the Masters Worlds were originally planned for Perth. Anybody know why they were moved?
     
  11. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    The rarely put up notice for the worlds, until the current ones are finished as they aren't approved by the World Council meeting till then.
     
  12. TonyB

    TonyB Member

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    I don't know all the details, but I believe the change away from Perth had something to do with the expense of moving enough charter boats across the continent. There will be some there for the ISAF Worlds in December, but not enough.
     
  13. Tillerman

    Tillerman Member

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    Makes sense. I guess Brisbane is much more accessible than Perth to most Australian Laser sailors too.

    I was excited about Perth. It's one of my favorite cities in the whole world. But Brisbane is a wonderful city too (was there in 2000) and there are plenty of other fantastic places to visit in Queensland - Barrier Reef, Whitsundays, Fraser Island. This could be one of the best Masters Worlds destinations ever.
     
  14. TonyB

    TonyB Member

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    I was really looking forward to Perth as well, sailing in the big breeze at Fremantle would have been an experience. But yes, Brisbane is a great city and Queensland has plenty of spectacular places to visit. The sailing club itself has probably the best facilities of any in Australia, if not the world, and the sailing will be sensational. Warm, sheltered waters, and in March we can pretty much guarantee a good racing breeze every day. Of course I'm not biased though...

    A word of advice to anyone thinking of coming - there is an onsite motel at the sailing club (http://www.manlymarinacove.com/) but once that and a couple of smaller local places fill up you may have to travel a shortish distance to find a bed. There are plenty of options within a 25 minute drive (closer to the city centre) or probably camping at the club if you are equipped, but not much within an easy walk.

    Of course the organisers may be looking into other accommodation deals, but if I was thinking of travelling to the regatta I'd be thinking about making a tentative booking at the motel. I think the current plan is for the Australian Masters Nationals to be at the same location the week before the Worlds, so maybe also consider a longer booking to include that.
     
  15. Sean

    Sean Member

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    Call me a cynic Tony but I would bet most of the motel will be taken up by officials as the dorms at Yachting Queensland will certainly not be good enough for our esteemed juries etc. I would think lesser ranked officials will be staying in Yachting Queensland dormitories and the rest in the motel.

    I will be booking the motel soon just in case I decide to go. I will not be at all surprised to be told that all rooms are already gone.

    Maybe I should just toss the boat on my camper and stay on site if I can for the Worlds . Might even do that if I come up for the masters event on the 20th May. I see a lot of Radials have entered the South Pacific Laser Masters this year.
     
  16. TonyB

    TonyB Member

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    You're a cynic Sean! You're probably right though. For the 2004 Radial Worlds I think most of the officials were billeted around the neighbourhood but that was before the motel was built. Camping is definitely the way to go if you have the gear.

    It'd be great if you came up for SPLM next week. Twenty Radials and 18 Standards entered so far, so it is building into a decent sized regatta. Hopefully we can get close to 30 boats on the line for each fleet.
     
  17. colindibb

    colindibb New Member

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    This reeks of Kirby politics!!

    The Fremantle 2012 Masters worlds was planned to be in mid-February 2012 (2 months after ISAF 2011 Champs).
    • The charter boats would have been in Fremantle from the 2011 event (300+) anyway so it wasn't about the lack of charter boats.
    • They would have needed to be stored for 2 months but there is access to a warehouse over the road from FSC which is being used to store them for 2011 anyway so it's not that either.
    • The 2011 organisers were providing race teams and all infrastructure and had planned to extend the employment contracts of some key staff to cover the event. In addition the Fremantle Sailing Club has very good facilities to handle 300+ Lasers on lawns with 3 launching ramps so it's not the infrastructure.
    • The weather in Fremantle in February is warm (30C), dry and sunny and the seabreeze is nearly always in the 18-23 knot range which is less than what we have just had in San Francisco. The water is very clear (can see the bottom on the course) and there are no perceptible currents. So it's not the weather.
    • The accommodation options in Fremantle are much better than Manly (Brisbane is actually about 20 kms away) so it's not that either.
    • As far as tourism goes, Western Australia has lots to do. We even have our answer to the Great Barrier Reef (Ningaloo). So it's not that either.
    So what was it? The official reason I'm told is that PSA and ILCA could not agree the charter fee! So what's different in Brisbane?

    Everyone I spoke to in San Francisco was disappointed they would not be sailing in Fremantle and so am I. Oh, and to all my friends in Brisbane, I love sailing there as well, I just believe the Worlds should have been in Fremantle as awarded by ILCA years ago.
     
  18. SFBayLaser

    SFBayLaser Member

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    First, congratulations Colin on a fine job in beating out Peter Vessella to win the Standard Grandmasters! That was some great sailing!

    Ha! "Less"! And you sailed in the early group! And there was that guy, the one who kept reminding us of the value of his time, who was complaining about not sailing in enough wind!
    So, all my sailing friends here in San Francisco who have sailed in Freemantle (from the AC way back when to as recently as the Etchells Worlds a few years ago) say that San Francisco is calm in comparison. I guess at the Etchells Worlds it was 25+ every day? Maybe because its colder it just seems windier here?

    One comment about charter fees: I was told by a US competitor that the charter fee for the ISAF Combined Worlds amounts to over $2000 US! Since that is an ISAF event ILCA has no say in the charter fee, but if that were going to be the charter fee for the Master Worlds then I'd think that price would seriously impact participation.

    As a San Francisco sailor I'm disappointed to not get to go to Freemantle to sail. But I've never been to Brisbane either and figure that wherever we go its going to be great sailing so am already starting to make plans for it.
     
  19. colindibb

    colindibb New Member

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    Ouch, $2000 is steep. Especially if you have to use your own sail as I have heard (not sure about the 2011 champs). Can't believe this is what they were trying to get for the Masters. It would be cheaper to buy new and you would probably not drop more than $1000 on re-sale.
    Wind speed feels very different when it's cold. I was referring to the forecasts. Our weather service here calls for 18-23 knots just about every day in summer. Granted it does get up there at times (best I've had was 37 on a run from Rockingham to Freo) but it's the exception.

    Anyway I'm sure you will have a great sail in Brisbane. If you are ever over our way, I have spare boats and rooms so come sailing in Laser heaven!!
     
  20. chtripp

    chtripp New Member

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    If they raise the charter fees that high, it will make sense to fill a container with Lasers and ship them to and back from Australia. We do the same thing all the time for the 505 Worlds. You can get a container for $3000 one way and fit at least 15 to 18 Lasers in them. I would hope that the manufacturers can keep the charter fees at a sensible price since it is much more convenient. Otherwise participation from other countries will be affected. Congratulations on a Great Worlds Colin!! Chuck
     

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